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HOME > Projector Reviews > Mitsubishi HC7800D 3D 1080p DLP Home Theater Projector Review
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Mitsubishi HC7800D
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Image quality in 2D. While the HC7800D looks good no matter what type of video it is displaying, two-dimensional HD video is its strongest suit. Bright and high in contrast, the image looks ready to jump off the screen at times. Good color saturation gives the image a vibrant, life-like character. Color temperature at the projector's default Medium is a touch warm, but calibration is simple and straightforward and the results are very close to the 6500K standard. Most impressive though is the projector's ability to display every nuance of fine detail, especially from high-quality Blu-ray transfers. Frame Rate Conversion, Mitsubishi's implementation of frame interpolation, smooths out motion without much in the way of artifacts. 3D. Back in August, we published our sneak preview of the Mitsubishi HC7800D based on an advanced look at an early sample. At the time, we were most impressed by the projector's 3D performance, which was clean and artifact-free. That has not changed in the intervening months. The HC7800D produces a 3D image that has plenty of depth and virtually no artifacts, including crosstalk. In active-shutter 3D, brightness and crosstalk are linked, and more of one usually indicates more of the other. Thanks to new glasses technology, the HC7800D improves 3D brightness without introducing crosstalk. Mitsubishi's 3D glasses are using LCD panels with a refresh rate that is claimed to be ten times faster than existing technology. This allows the HC7800D to use very short blanking times (the time during which both shutters are closed), thereby letting more light through without introducing crosstalk. Our testing indicates a transmission rate of almost 27%, which is a significant improvement over other current 3D projectors (more on this later). The downside is that the glasses are big and bulky compared to the competition, a side-effect of the new panels' fragility. Placement flexibility. A 1.5:1 zoom lens and 35% vertical lens shift make the HC7800D more flexible than your run-of-the-mill DLP home theater projector. The vertical shift especially helps when you are ceiling mounting the projector and want to put the image a little higher or lower on the wall. Setting the projector on a table, the lowest lens shift range gave the picture a 12% upward throw offset (meaning the bottom edge of the image is 12% of the picture height above the center of the lens), while the other extreme gave a 47% upward throw offset. Note that you cannot place the image level with or below the lens centerline, which rules out a rear shelf mount unless you tilt the projector and apply keystone correction. The 1.5:1 lens is remarkable for how little light is lost when using the telephoto end of the range -- a mere 8%. These two features, though they appear slightly lackluster in the face of 2.0:1 zoom lenses and extensive H/V shift, alleviate most of the concerns one would have when mounting the projector. Frame Rate Conversion. Mitsubishi's version of frame interpolation has two different modes, True Film and True Video. True Film is the less aggressive of the two, smoothing judder without adding any of the dreaded digital video effect. True Video is meant for use with... well, video, including sports, live broadcast television, concerts, and other such material. It is more aggressive than True Film but still does not show much in the way of artifacts. You can adjust the intensity of each mode on a scale from 1-5, with four being the default. Higher numbers indicate more aggressive processing. The True Film setting has a refined, subtle look to it, and we actually preferred to leave it on most of the time. The judder reduction was apparent (and welcome), but the picture never took on that artificial quality associated with over-aggressive frame interpolation. The HC7800D also applies Frame Rate Conversion when watching 3D, a capability that many 3D projectors don't have. Enabling and disabling 3D FRC is possible, but the option resides in the hidden Demo menu rather than the user menu proper. If you simply can't stand any frame interpolation at all, you'll need to open the menu and go to the Test Pattern option. Hover the selection over Test Pattern, then press Auto Position, Select, and Auto Position in sequence. That should open the Demo menu. From here, you can enable or disable 3D FRC. Be aware that disabling 3D FRC will increase the amount of flicker in the picture, and we prefer to leave it enabled for this reason.
Reader Comments(27 comments)
I wish you would write a review on the runco ls5 or ls3 and throw them into the competition. Any chance of that happening?
almost no regular retailer wants to showcase any projector and embarrass and undercut their high markup flat panels. mail order is still a great option.
You mentioned the quietness of the Mitsubishi but not the other two. Is there a big difference?
I have to admit I also am unaware and have not experienced this "gaming lag" issue through the years of play on my PS3 and Optoma HD20. Is this perhaps an issue solely on LCD-based units? When my friends and I game on the PS3 we notice only lag-free smooth gaming, maybe a hint of judder in the background on certain blu-rays, but nothing on the games. I hope this isn't something in the newer 3D hardware.
You cant find this projector in a local store, just go to online retailer like Projectorpeople.com, they have a return policy if you do not like after 4 hours of viewing, I purchased and returned a Panasonic AE4000 when it came out, I like DLP I am waiting for the CES if any PJs come out and also review of the BenQ w7000.
hi, i only want to know where can i buy this projector , mitsubishi hc 7800d,in a physical store in united states? thanks
Can anyone recommend the best projector for a 115 inch screen mainly used for gaming and movies? Currently have a 5yr old Panasonic with 11,000:1 contrast and 1,100 Lumens. Just learning about this lag effect. I have read good things about the new JVC X30, would like to stay around $5,000 range or lower.
Gamers take note. A poster at AVS forums found the Epson 5010 to suffer from input lag so this may be a better option as DLP usually lags less.
Evan, Bill,
I forgot to ask... Are you guys giving out your editors choice award this year?
Bill, Evan,
Can you provide information on the difference in the Mitsubishi's 3D picture in High Brightness mode vs the Epsons 3D Cinema mode. I'm interested because the Mits has virtually no cross talk, so I would like to know how much crosstalk is present in its high brigthness mode. The Epson has more visible crosstalk. Increasing the lumens appears to create more crosstalk, so the Epson's 3D picture would probably be best suited in its 3D cinema mode to reduce crosstalk vs having a brighter 3D picture. Now how does the Mits 3D cinema mode stack up against the Epson's 3D cinema mode. Thanks.
It is very hard to find the Projector that is on display. I live in a big city but still cant find the projectors that are new like the Mitsubishi HC7800D. Even if you do find a place that can let you see it there will be enormous sales pressure, you cant just walk away easily and then you cannot go back to the same place and asking to demo another unit. If sites like this does not exist then I dont know how will you decide ?? Thanks guys. I am hoping BenQ W7000 will be the answer to the shortcomings of MItsubishi. Why DLP looks better than LCD???
My advice for people who are undecided on which projector to buy is to locate a store that sells the projectors you are interested in. This may require visiting several shops and traveling some miles, but in the end you'll probably feel better about your purchase.
Relying soley on the opinions of others is not a winning proposition. People taste vary when it comes to "best" picture. If I can't find a store that has the projectors setup I am interested in I'll go with the majority rule. In other words, if 75% of the reviewers state the Epson has a better picture than the Panasonic, regardless of price/value, I'll go with the Epson and vice versa. However, the review is my starting point. I need to know which projectors to focus on. Unlike a poster talking smack on this site, I'm a huge movie lover and have a theater room specifically for watching movies on the big screen...not a living room with a screen on the wall, but a theater room with columns and a stage (only missing the curtains). I take my home theater seriously. When I buy I'm not upgrading for 7-8 years.
Hi Bill, Thank you for your informative and technically objective reviews. I note the Mitsubishi DLP projectors performance impressed you to the point of you saying it had the most impressive picture of the three projectors compared (my words but I hope you get what I mean). You also indicated that the contrast ratio of the Mitsubishi was not as good as the others and that the lesser black level was easily observable. Can you explain why the lower spec projector seems to shine above the higher spec ones... irrespective of the paper (and measured) spec? Is it something that DLP adds that LCD does not ... I would love to know as I am usually a spec driven buyer. Many thanks
I would be more concerned as to which product has the most consistent sample to sample quality control. I have found that projectors in general have the least consistent performance of consumer products. It’s hard not to be picky when you blow a picture up to 135"or better. I have also found that DLP projectors are the most consistent in gray scale and white field uniformity. If you watch a lot of old black and white classic movies be warned that low priced projectors will not give you this without a lot of returns until you get an acceptable one that you can live with. At the $6000 and up range the 3 chip projectors are more consistent which they should be.
Bill,
Thanks for the clarification. I understand completely how that first look at a product is not always the best look. As far as Black level performance. It would appear that the Pannasonic is the winner, considering it's functionally tied with the Epson in scenes of low illumination and beats the Epson when the scenes has average light levels. Since the Pannasonic has a contrast ratio of 300,000 to 1 to the Epson's 200,000 to 1 that sounds about right. Although you believe we should through the spec sheets out the window. Thanks again.
Bill... sorry, but now that I have a bit more time I wonder if I could pester you a bit more.
As you have had the opportunity to have all 3 projectors together perhaps you could give me your opinion on my personal situation. I have only owned (4) DLP projectors in the past, so those seem "normal" to me, but I am not necessarily averse to other technologies. I have been using an InFocus 7210 since they came out projecting onto an Elite 135" (1.78) screen using the PowerGain (1.8) material in my (completely light controlled) main theater. I am also using a Mits HD1000U in the family room of my Vegas town-house (pretty good light control unless wife is in kitchen) projecting onto a 120" Elite with PowerGain material. As the years have gone by I continue to look for a replacements, however I wanted to wait until the 3D world matured a bit before I jumped onto the band-wagon. I had given some thought to the constant height operation, but as the benefits are mostly psychological (giving movies a larger appearance than TV) that is not a prime concern. Also I was planning on moving the 135" screen to Vegas and replacing it with a 150" (also 1.8 gain material) in the Theater... I mention this as it would have an obvious effect if I wanted to use the 3D capabilities. I probably watch TV 65%, play games 20%, and watch movies about 15% of the time. With the above locations, which (if any) of the 3D projectors in your shootout would you prefer?
Thank you for the insightful review Bill.
Bill and Evan, I have been reading your reviews for years. I am very appreciative of how you guys shaped my purchasing decisions. I want to reiterate that part again (SHAPED) but in the end I am the one deciding based on your and other reviews of projectors. so I don't understand when readers becomes proofreader as if that is their careers. if someone is in the market to buy a projector your reviews gives just that. Gives us the scoop. but there are some people who wants to dig deeper and nitpick every damn word in the reviews because They failed The Chief Inspector Clouseau exams and they want to make it up here! People whom are obsessively detailed oriented clinical cases, Read the reviews, make your minds up if you wanna really buy a projector as this is the reason this and other sites exist, read the fine print when reviewers say the difference between two projectors are so little that is not even worth mentioning! but when they do mention it you make them regret for mentioning it because of the hell you give to them! which in return we will have less detailed reviews in the future, because of some of you idiots. you know who I am talking I about. you who don't even watch enough movies because you can't take time away from nitpicking and proofreading reviews for days and making a case like you are a forensics expert! Hayati
Romel,
After exercising the 2D to 3D conversion some more, and spending a *lot* of time in comparative testing, we like the AE7000's 2D to 3D conversion the best. the HC7800D's system is not far behind, and I'd happily use either, but there's a difference. Our preview article was based on a stand-alone showing of the HC7800D, and we did not have a chance to do a comparative test of the 2D to 3D conversion at that time. That's the reason for the change. Re: black level, this is why we keep adding disclaimers about keeping everything in perspective. Judging black level on these projectors is tricky, since each projector has an iris and they all respond differently. Here's how it goes (the definitive version, if you will): On a pure black screen, the AE7000 closes down to a blacker black than the 5010. In nighttime shots and other low-key scenes, the 5010 has the slightest of advantages -- so slight that we were hesitant to mention it at all, because (as I'm seeing again) people tend to make a big deal out of anything that we write up. If we mention it, it must be worth mentioning, etc. I am currently regretting my decision to include it at all. The black level difference between the Epson 5010 and the Panasonic AE7000 in low-light scenes is so slight that it should not influence anyone's purchasing decisions, which is why we called them "functionally tied." The difference between those two and the Mitsubishi HC7800D is much, much clearer. Your statement about digital noise is correct. We saw less noise in HD, more noise in SD. I hope this clears things up for you. dupin67 - As we don't have the HD33 in front of us, I'm unwilling to make a statement about how they appear comparatively. If I get a chance to see the HD33 again, I will set them up and have a look. Irfan - As soon as we get the BenQ W7000, we intend to do just such a shootout. Stephen - like what? If you're referring to my ongoing conversation with Romel, please see the above.
If I only watched sports and prime time tv then I could accept a definition of "great, natural image" that allowed for washed out blacks.
Overtime, I am seeing a lot of inconsistencies in PC reviews of 3D PJ's.
FOr the folks who like the film like picture quality of DLP, a really good shoot would be the Mitsubishi HC7800D vs BenQ7000. So far HC7800D looks pretty good in reviews and if BenQ produces a brighter picture with vibrant colors that could be a winner. I would also like to know if the DLP link is better than the IR
Bill,
Would like to know whether there is difference between the 4x color wheel between HD33 and HC7800D. In HD33 review, the 4x color wheel is actually a 6x wheel, if we count in the 120Hz refresh rate. If HC7800D is still using 120Hz refresh rate (I think it is, because it's also a 3D DLP), then maybe we should highlight this again.
Bill,
I need clarification concerning digital noise with the EPSON. In the shootout review with the Epson and the Pannasonic, under the section Sharpness and clarity, you said "There is also a touch less digital noise on the 5010, especially in mid-tones." but in the 3-way shootout with the Mitsubish, Pannasonic and Epson, under the standard definition section, you stated "The 5010 had a touch more digital noise than the others in standard definition." So, are you saying the Epson has less digital noise when displaying HD content, but more digital noise than the other two projectors when showing standard definition? Thank you.
Bill,
In your review of the Epson 5010, you said that the Pannasonic and Epson was basically tied when it came to black level performance when there was low levels of light in a scene (i.e. night scene with stars in the sky). Now, in the Mitsubishi's review (in the shootout), you said the Epson has the BEST black level in scenes of low illumination, such as nighttime shots and the AE7000 has the best black level in scenes of average illumination. Can we get some consistency in these reviews? Is the Panasonic and Epson tied when it comes to black level performance in scenes of average illumination or does the Epson have better blacks in scenes of low illumination?
Bill, what happened to the Mitsubishi's 2D to 3D converstion from Projector Central's first look impressions until this review?
Initially, you guys stated that the Mitsubishi's 2D to 3D conversion was the best you've seen and the only one really worth using. Now, in this review, the Mitsubishi's 2D to 3D conversion system is rated lower than the Panny's. Did the Mits system get worse? Or did Pannasonic improve their system with a firmware update? Post a commentCommenting on this article is easy and does not require any registration. Your email address is necessary for you to activate your comment once it has been submitted. It will not be shown to other site viewers. ProjectorCentral reserves the right to remove any comment at any time for any reason. Foul language is not permitted, nor are personal attacks. All comments should remain on topic.
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Posted Oct 2, 2012 6:44:10 AM
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