Epson Pro LS10000 5 1 3LCD Laser Projector
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$5,999 MSRP Discontinued

The Epson LS10000 is the company's newest high performance flagship home theater projector, and compared to what Epson has produced in the past it is in a whole new league.

The LS10000 combines four high-demand features that everyone has been clamoring for in a home theater projector:

(1) 4K enhancement of 1080p source/display of native 4K sources
(2) 100% laser light engine with up to 30,000 hour lifespan
(3) Super high contrast reflective imaging devices
(4) 3-way Automated Lens Memory for Constant Image Height installation.

These four features in combination make for a highly competitive new product in the premium home theater projector market. The price has not been finally determined as of this writing, but Epson says it will be under $8,000.

Viewing Experience

The LS10000 is a revolutionary product, unlike anything that Epson has produced to date. It combines extreme contrast and extreme resolution to produce a picture capable of extraordinary realism and presence. Though it uses 1920x1080 resolution chips, it has the ability to enhance standard 1080p sources to make them look as if they were filmed or captured in 4K resolution. Once the unit was set up, the first disc I wanted to see was the Eagles Farewell I Tour. Projected onto an eight foot wide Stewart Studiotek 130 with the 4K enhancement active, this picture virtually exploded off the screen with detail and a sense of immediate presence that I'd never seen from this disc before. If you want to compare it to standard 1080p, you can simply turn off the 4K enhancement. What you end up with is a picture that looks remarkably soft--almost more like really good standard definition. In actuality, the standard 1080p picture is just as sharp as it always has been. It is just that by comparison to the 4K enhanced version it is surprisingly soft.

The LS10000 has five levels of 4K enhancement, labeled 4K-1 through 4K-5, with 5 being the most aggressive processing. There is no correct or optimal setting. The level of enhancement you select will depend in equal parts on the type of content being viewed, the viewing distance, and your personal taste. When viewing the Eagles concert from a distance of 16 feet (2x the screen width), I set the enhancement to 4K-5 with excellent results. The picture was pristine, clear, and perfectly natural with no hint of any type of processing artifacts. Moving much closer to a viewing distance of 10 feet caused the picture to look slightly oversharpened. At this viewing distance I backed it off to 4K-3, and once again the picture was perfectly satisfying.

When viewing video of a live concert, maximum realism is desired. When viewing a movie it isn't. I found 4K-2 to be a preferred setting for movie material--it gives the image an obviously enhanced clarity and detail but without imparting any digital video effect. And the same thing happens when watching movies as with live video--once you get used to watching with 4K enhancement activated, you can't go back; standard 1080p looks by comparison to be low resolution; it just doesn't cut it anymore.

The other major advance in the LS10000 picture is the contrast. Epson does not bother to quote a numeric contrast spec on this projector; rather they just call it Absolute Black (Our database does not accept alpha characters for contrast specs, so it will be designated as ">1,000,000:1" on this site). The black levels are indeed very solid, as good as it gets on a projector, but black levels are already quite good on most premium home theater projectors. Where the LS10000 truly shines is in its extraordinary shadow detail. In the Blu-ray of the Eagles concert, the camera periodically pans to the audience to show viewer reactions, and of course the audience is in the dark. On most projectors audience pans like this look muddy and ill-defined. But the LS10000 is capable of separating shadow details to a degree rarely seen on a projector, so the audience pans are crisp, clear, with excellent detail, depth and three-dimensionality. You can actually see what's going on, even better than you could if you were there in person. On the LS10000 the audience pans actually become an engaging and exciting part of the video presentation because they make you feel like you are there.

Ultimately, the word that kept popping into my mind as I watched was how natural the image looks. It gives the impression of being a perfectly seamless analog picture--no hint of digital processing anywhere. One might say filmlike, but it is better than film. When viewing live performance material, the LS10000 delivers the video equivalent of the experience audiophiles seek when they go for the vinyl--a clarity and realism that imparts a sense of being in the presence of the performers.

NOTE: Our thanks to Stewart Filmscreen for providing the
Studiotek 130 and Studiotek 100 screens used in this review.

Key Features

4K Enhancement / 4K Compatibility. The LS10000 uses three 1920x1080 reflective panels, so it is native 1080p. However, the 4K enhancement splits out the signal into two 1080p panels, off-shifts one diagonally by 0.5 pixel and then displays them in rapid sequence. The associated processing algorithms refine detail, eliminate aliasing and diagonal stair-stepping, and end up producing a picture that looks much higher in resolution than the 1080p signal the system started with. Epson has not published any technical detail on the process other than it relies upon a 0.5 pixel diagonal shift. In this regard it appears similar in approach to JVC's e-Shift technology for upconversion to 4K. However, the video processing algorithms that drive the systems are different and proprietary to the two vendors. So it would be a mistake to think of them as equivalent implementations of a common technology.

Extreme Dynamic Range. As impressive as the LS10000's 4K enhancement is, the dynamic range and exceptional shadow detail is just as important in the dramatic final result on the screen. This has already been discussed in the Viewing Experience section.

3-way Automatic Lens Memory. Do you want to set up a 2.4:1 Cinemascope widescreen with Constant Image Height display? The LS10000's power zoom and lens shift allows you to automatically switch the lens to accommodate the format of the material you are watching. As you would expect it gives you full frame 2.4 Cinemascope projection as well as standard 1.78 format (16:9), as previous systems have done. But in addition it gives you a third setting for 1.85 format movies, a nice feature enhancement. Not only do you get a three-way system, but the lens reset action moving from one aspect ratio to another is quite rapid compared to anything else on the market.

Long Life Laser Light Source. [NOTE: This section updated Jan 25, 2015 to reflect Epson's updated lifespan spec.] Epson's spec calls for long life operation up to 30,000 hours. However this is an eco-mode spec. When the system is run constantly in high power mode the anticipated life of the light engine is 17,000 hours, which is still enough to give you a 2-hour movie every day for about 20 years. Realistically, people who will buy the LS10000 are folks who take home theater quality very seriously. The large majority of users will upgrade to a next generation projector long before the light source becomes an issue on this one.

Keep in mind that the industry convention is to quote lamp life specs based on the time it will take the lamp or light source to degrade to 50% of its original lumen output. One advantage of lasers is that they degrade on a straight line basis, which is much better than high pressure lamps which degrade more rapidly in the early part of their lives. Nevertheless, with the LS10000 as with any projector, installers will want to keep long term lumen degradation in mind as a factor in planning the optimum screen size, screen gain, and throw distance.

Frame Interpolation. Epson's frame interpolation system on the 5030 and 6030 models has been carried forward in the LS10000, and it behaves in much the same way. It has Low, Medium, and High settings. The Low or Medium settings are best for film-based movies in which you may not want to see the hyper-real digital video (or soap opera) effect. The Medium and High settings are better for live performance and animated films where the highest stability and clarity are desired, and the digital video effect is irrelevant. The Frame Interpolation has some limitations when it comes to interactivity with the 4K enhancement system (see Limitations section for details).

Outstanding Noise Reduction. In theory, you don't want to use noise reduction filters unless you have to because they will soften the image. But one of Epson's strengths of late has been that its noise reduction technology works like a champ while compromising the picture's integrity not much at all. After the passing of Robin Williams I wanted to see Dead Poet's Society again. I ordered up the Blu-ray, and come to find out, though the movie is great, the transfer is a noise-infested mess. BUT...I popped it into the trusty OPPO BDP-103 Blu-ray player, set the LS10000's 4K enhancement to 4K-2, bumped its noise reduction up to +2, and voila, a gorgeous, almost noise-free picture that is still sharp as a tack.

3LCD Reflective Technology. This is the first projector brought to market by Epson using reflective technology. "3LCD Reflective" is Epson's marketing term, corresponding to JVC's "D-ILA" or Sony's "SXRD." They are all implementations of LCoS (Liquid Crystal on Silicon). Epson says that their version is actually Liquid Crystal on Quartz, but it is unclear to us if there is a material difference in that distinction. In the end it doesn't really matter--the combination of the 3LCD Reflective imaging devices and the laser light source makes a perfectly beautiful picture whatever it is.

HDCP 2.2 Compatible. For any native 4K source material that you might stumble across that is not restricted to display on the video products of the vendor that produced it, the LS10000 is compliant with the HDCP 2.2 copy projection algorithms required to support it. It receives and displays native 4K signals. With the Red Ray 4K player and 4K demo clips, the LS10000 looks phenomenal--just as you would expect from watching a 4K demo clip designed specifically to look phenomenal when demonstrating a 4K projector. The better news is that upscaled 1080p material looks just about as phenomenal--certainly a lot closer to native 4K than it does native 1080p. So the current limited availability of 4K content is largely beside the point; the primary value to be gained from the LS10000 is its extraordinary high resolution display of 1080p sources.

Is Native 4K Resolution Necessary?

The use of 1920x1080 chips combined with 0.5 diagonal pixel shift to produce 4K enhancement is a source of spirited controversy. Just how good can the picture be? Don't you need native 4K resolution chips to get the full effect? Those who sell the higher priced native 4K projectors will certainly argue that native 4K resolution is mandatory. They are quick to point out that these 4K enhancement products by JVC, and now Epson, are not REAL 4K! The implication is that 4K interpolation is in some sense deficient or even fake. Is this valid, informed criticism or good salesmanship? Let's wander into this controversial territory for a moment and examine it more closely.

We spent a lot of time last winter with the Sony VPL-VW600ES, a native 4K projector. We loved that projector (still do), and gave it one of our rare Editor's Choice Awards (see the review). In that review, Bill pointed out that due to the limited availability of 4K source material, the most practical benefit of the VW600ES was its excellent upscaling of 1080p. The same is true today of the LS10000. On both of these projectors you get an interpolated approximation of what the 1080p source would have looked like had it been captured in native 4K resolution. It is just that Sony and Epson take two different technological paths to get there.

Which one is better? The natural assumption would be that the projector with the native 4K chips would have the advantage. But I'm not sure that it does. I wish I could see them side by side--all I am working with is the memory of what I saw on the VW600ES. But while I remember the 4K enhanced version of 1080p on the VW600ES to be obviously better and much preferred to native 1080p projection, I do not recall it being any better than what I see on the LS10000. In fact, though I hesitate to say it since it will sound like heresy, my impression is that the LS10000 may actually have an advantage. I am anxious to see these two projectors side by side for a more critical assessment.

Now, when it comes to the display of a native 4K source, the Sony VW600ES should have an obvious advantage over any projector that is interpolating the signal. However, the RedRay 4K source material we are using right now shows extreme high resolution on the LS10000--it looks like native 4K, a noticeable step beyond the 4K enhancement of a 1080p source. The same difference is visible on the VW600ES when you switch back and forth between 1080p and native 4K material. But the LS10000 looks so much like pure 4K that it leaves the impression that any difference in detail resolution between it and a native 4K projector would be extremely subtle at best. If the eye cannot tell much difference between the two (or any difference at all between the two), then it does not matter much whether the projector is native 4K or not; resolution becomes a minor issue compared to other factors that contribute to overall image quality.

Once again, these are just impressions based on viewing the VW600ES last winter and the LS10000 over the last few weeks, and with different source material. So there is no way to make any definitive statement. All I can say is that from what I have seen so far, I would love to do a side by side evaluation of these two projectors with both 1080p and native 4K source material to see what the differences might actually be--not only in terms of detail resolution, but contrast, black levels, shadow separation, and noise levels. Based on what I've seen so far I would be hesitant to predict the outcome of this shootout. If any of you have the chance to set these two projectors up side by side, we would be very happy to hear your impressions of them.

Performance Measurements

Brightness. The LS10000 is rated at 1500 lumens. Our pre-production test unit measured 1662 lumens in its brightest color mode (Dynamic), with the light source on High power and the zoom lens set to maximum wide angle. The LS10000 has eight pre-programmed color modes that measured as follows, again with lamp power on high and lens at wide angle:

Dynamic 1662
Living Room 1216
Natural 1359
THX 1095
Cinema 1275
B&W Cinema 1197
Digital Cinema 1038
Adobe RGB 988

These readings are unusual in that Cinema comes in higher than Living Room, which is an interesting anomaly. Epson says the new light engine enables a wider color gamut and better contrast than previous designs, thus enabling a brighter Cinema mode. We measured the Cinema mode color gamut as being dead on target:

The Digital Cinema mode engages a cinema color filter, thus cutting light a bit, but deepening blacks and expanding color gamut further. In most viewing, my personal preference was to run the projector in Digital Cinema mode. This is what the CIE chart looks like in Digital Cinema mode:

Brightness Stability: Lumen output on the LS10000 is extremely stable from start up, unlike some laser/LED hybrid that dim by 10 to 15% after they have warmed up, or high pressure lamps that take 10 to 15 minutes to reach peak lumen output. The LS10000 turns on instantly at almost full lumen output, and increases in brightness by about 3% over a ten minute warmup period, then stabilizes at that level.

Lamp Power Options: The projector has three lamp power options, High, Medium and ECO. High is the brightest option for all color modes; switching to Medium reduces lumen output by 24% in all modes, and selecting ECO reduces lumen output by 45% in all color modes.

Manual Iris: If the adjustment of lamp power is not sufficient flexibility for dialing in the screen luminance you want, you can also use a manual iris to dial it back in smaller increments. It has a default setting of 0, which is wide open, and it can be closed down in increments on a scale down to -13. This scale is not a straight line effect; closing the iris to -5 curtails lumen output by a miniscule 2.5%, by the time you get to -8 you've lost 15%, and at -13 you've lost 50%.

Brightness Uniformity: In a word, outstanding. The picture is virtually uniform in brightness from top to bottom throughout the center two-thirds of the screen. It fades slightly at the edges, about 5% on the left side and 8% on the right side. The dimmest area of the image is the lower right corner which measures 90% of the maximum center value. So technically the brightness uniformity figure is 90%, but the picture overall is about as evenly illuminated as any projector we've ever seen.

Zoom lens effect: The LS10000 has a long 2.1x zoom range. As with all long zooms, the projector's light output is curtailed when the lens is set to the telephoto end of the range. Normally a 2x zoom will cut light as much as 46% between the maximum wide angle position and maximum telephoto. However, the LS10000's zoom loses only 31%.

Lens shift range: The lens shift range is about as good as it gets on home theater projectors. It allows a vertical shift of a total of 2 2/3 image heights, and a horizontal shift of two full image widths. As you are operating the powered lens shift, it has an auto-stop feature that momentarily pauses the shift motor to tell you when the image is in neutral (no shift) position.

Audible noise. The LS10000 is rated at 19 dB. Practically speaking, noise is a non-issue. It produces a soft whirring sound that is noticeable if it is close by and you listen for it. But for the most part you forget that it is there.

3D Performance. Overall, 3D clarity is quite good on this unit, and the very high contrast helps give the image extra snap. We see a tiny bit of ghosting on occasion, but we've never seen a projector that was perfectly free of it. The best way to describe it would be to say that crosstalk is minimal, and among the best we've seen.

As is true of all 3D systems, the light that reaches your eyes is cut substantially compared to 2D. But it doesn't cut light quite as much as most projectors. Let's assume you have the LS10000 set up using the middle of the zoom on a 120" diagonal screen with 1.0 gain, you can use 3D Cinema (the dimmest 3D mode) and still get 6.2 fL actually reaching your eyes. Switching back to 2D, you can run Cinema mode at ECO power and come out at 13 fL (within the THX recommended range) or switch to Medium laser power at 18 fL for a brighter, punchier picture.

Bottom line, if 3D viewing is an interest of yours, there is nothing about the 3D performance on this projector to object to.


4K Enhancement, Frame Interpolation, and 3D: When displaying a 1080p source at 24 fps, the LS10000 offers the full range of options in both 4K enhancement and frame interpolation because the system has the time to engage both. So you can set 4K-5 and Frame Interpolation to High at the same time. However, if you have a source with frame rate faster than 24 fps, the projector will allow you to use one of these two processing technologies, but not both. With a 1080p/60 or 1080i/60 signal, if you activate frame interpolation, the menu option for 4K will be grayed out, and vice versa. Due to the same frame rate limitations, 4K enhancement is not an available option when viewing 3D.

Color temperature uniformity: Any long zoom lens will tend to introduce shifts in color temperature depending on the position of the zoom. As is typical with zoom lenses, the mid-point of the zoom range on the LS10000 yields the best performance, producing a white field that is consistent in color temperature from side to side and top to bottom. As one moves the zoom to its maximum wide angle position, color temperature in various portions of the image will shift slightly. So if the color mode you are using is calibrated to 6500K at the lens' neutral mid-point position, when you move the zoom to maximum wide angle, the projected white field will drop to about 6300K on the left side of the screen, remain at 6500K in the middle of the screen, and rise slightly to about 6700K on the right side of the screen. The opposite shift occurs when moving the zoom from its mid-point to maximum telephoto; the image becomes slightly cooler on the left and warmer on the right.

This color temperature shift is normal in long zoom lenses. It is typically imperceptible when viewing normal video content, so the only time you'd ever see it is when viewing a 100% white field. However, if your application calls for maximum uniformity of color temperature, there are two ways to guarantee it. The first is to install the projector at the throw distance needed to use the midpoint of the zoom range. The second is to close down the manual iris a bit. Its wide open default setting is 0. Setting the iris to -8 curtails light output by 15%, but it will give you a constant color temperature across the screen. If you need to use the zoom lens at its maximum wide angle setting and uniform color temp is mandatory for your application, this is one option to compensate for the effect.

Input lag: If you happen to be into serious video gaming you will regard the relatively long input lag as the weakest of the LS10000 performance features. Several Epson home theater projectors including the LS10000 come with a FAST or FINE option for operating mode; FAST minimizes input lag and is intended specifically for gaming use. FINE gives you much better image quality in exchange for greater buffer delay. On our test sample, the input lag in FAST mode was 56 ms, which is really not very fast at all by current gaming projector standards, some of which can get down to 16 ms. So if you take gaming seriously and the speed of your video display is critical, the LS10000 is not your best choice.

In FINE mode (better pic quality mode) the input lag was 100 ms. However, that is with all optional video processing features turned off (no 4K enhancement, no Frame Interpolation, no Dynamic Contrast, no Noise reduction, etc.). Once you activate the processing goodies that make the picture outstanding, the input lag can slow to about 230 ms.

Is this a big deal? Unless you're into gaming, not at all. Any sophisticated video display system will have input lag. To get the picture into perfect synch with the audio, you must use an audio delay circuit. Most A/V receivers have them onboard, variously called Audio Synch, or A/V Synch or Lip Synch. If your receiver does not have such a feature, or if you run your video signal directly from your source to the projector and bypass the AV receiver, you can buy inexpensive free-standing audio delays that work just fine. We use a little box called the Felston DD740 Audio Delay; it is simple and works beautifully. Once you have an audio delay circuit in your system, it makes no difference what the input lag is on your projector, you just set the delay for the right number of milliseconds to compensate for the lag and you're done.


Until now Epson has been manufacturing projectors for the higher volume consumer home theater market and pricing them at $3500 and down. The release of the LS10000 at a yet to be finalized price below $8,000 is a dramatic new step up into the specialty home theater market where professional theater design and custom installation is the norm. The under $10,000 niche in this market has been dominated by JVC in recent years, but the LS10000 represents a very strong competitive move that strikes at the heart of the JVC product line.

The LS10000 is a uniquely formidable home theater projector because it combines all the hot-button stuff...a long-life laser light source, automated lens memory, cutting-edge dynamic range, superb 4K enhancement, and just downright spectacular image quality. We suspect that the Epson LS10000 will be a dramatic game-changer as it takes Epson into a major new market segment it has never been in before.

For more detailed specifications and connections, check out our Epson Pro LS10000 projector page.

Comments (53) Post a Comment
Qualunquemente Posted Sep 9, 2014 11:56 PM PST
How wide is the color gamut in Digital Cinema mode ? Can you post a CIE graphic please ?
Soulnight Posted Sep 10, 2014 2:12 AM PST
Thank you for the review!

How are the black levels and shadow details compared to the jvc x700?

How is the 3d? Any idea about Ansi contrast?

Sincerely, Soulnight
Grant Posted Sep 10, 2014 5:47 AM PST
So the LS10000 is 3D capable -- why no comments about the quality of 3D? I watch a lot of 3D, which I view exclusively with a DLP projector because with every other technology 3D is marred by at least some foreground ghosting and some less visible but even more annoying background ghosting. I'd like to see a L/R 3D cross-talk test of the Epson's 3D capabilities to ascertain whether or not can produce acceptable 3D. 3D so far has been the Achilles heel of all non-DLP projectors in my opinion. If the LS10000's 3D was as good as everything else (black level, shadow detail, perceived resolution, etc.) then I'd be very interested in purchasing one.
Evan Powell, Editor Posted Sep 10, 2014 6:59 AM PST
Grant, the unit we reviewed was a pre-production sample that did not come with 3D glasses, so we have not yet exercised the 3D mode. I will update the review with comments on 3D once we've had a chance to see it.

Soulnight, I saw the LS10000 next to the JVC X700 but have not set up a side by side test myself, so will reserve specific comments.

Qualunquemente, we'll post a CIE graphic as soon as we can. We're at CEDIA the rest of this week, so maybe not till Monday.

mark meyers Posted Sep 10, 2014 7:15 AM PST
the epson product info on the website states that the image enhancement involves a 0.5 pixel shift resulting in much more real resolution. So lets find out what that really means.
Gary Fox Posted Sep 10, 2014 7:46 AM PST
Ok...for we diehard old-schoolers, how does this projector handle standard-def DVDs? Too many old classics in my collection to give them up!
reteP Posted Sep 10, 2014 2:46 PM PST
Did you perform any 2.35:1 tests? Does it have the ability to stretch the image?
Mel Posted Sep 11, 2014 7:46 AM PST
From all indications, the LS10000 is going to be an awesome contender it the home theater market. I have been contemplating upgrading to the 5030UB but this opens up another possibility for me. My only concern is the lumens... 1500 (LS10000) vs. 2400 (5030UB). I do have some ambient light to contend with. I know there is more to the viewing experience than brightness and contrast can certainly account for a difference as well. If I were to view the two projectors side by side, would the 5030UB appear to be much brighter or because of the differences in quality and contrast would the LS10000 appear to be as bright? I am currently using the 8700UB so it's time for an upgrade. Any feedback would be appreciated, Evan or anyone.
nazir Posted Sep 11, 2014 8:54 AM PST
please inform us about Epson Pro Cinema LS10000 is this projector have a 2.35:1 aspect ratio is it tried by some one ???? waiting for your answer thanks
Tbone85 Posted Sep 11, 2014 9:34 AM PST
I think that a three-way direct comparison between the LS10000, JVC X700, and Sony VPL-VW600ES as a reference point would be fascinating. While the obvious headline would be comparing simulated 4k processing versus native, I think the overall comparisons would also be quite interesting.
Stunko Posted Sep 13, 2014 8:34 AM PST
Wow, let me see now. Basically, what we have here is a dim 1500 ANSI lumen brightness HTPJ with LCD panels and 1920 x 1080 resolution. I could see $1,000 for its price, maybe $1,500. But EIGHT THOUSAND DOLLARS? For what exactly?
Stunko Posted Sep 13, 2014 8:38 AM PST
"If you want to compare it to standard 1080p, you can simply turn off the 4K enhancement. What you end up with is a picture that looks remarkably soft--almost more like really good standard definition."

Okay, so it is an HD projector that throws and HD picture when in the "4K enhancement" mode, and then throws a poorer quality image when in the "HD" mode. Last I heard, you need a 4K panel or 4K chip to throw a 4K resolution image, but hey, what do I know.
Andrew Riley Posted Sep 13, 2014 2:47 PM PST
I've heard that Epson is producing a lower model (9600) that is 1080P only and won't do the 4K, yet it is HDMI 2.0 capable. I thought the 2.0 standard was for 4K display. Anyone know why this so?
Dave Posted Sep 14, 2014 3:40 PM PST
Also interested in the 3D performance of this machine. Disappointed that the 4K enhancement won't be possible in 3D mode, and a bit deflated over the lag time (making it not optimal for gaming) but also very pleased to see Epson taking some fundamental steps forward in advancing new projection technology with laser and 4K simulation.

I think the review is a bit misleading about the native 4K vs simulated... all things being equal (which of course they are not when comparing a Sony to an Epson), true 4K with native 4K panels will look "better" than 4K simulation with pixel-shifting. Yes, pixel shifting will look better than 1080p if done right. And may look excellent on its own. But true 4K would be even better... at least with native 4K material. That's not a criticism of this machine... it's priced reasonably and simluated 4K is better than straight 1080p... so it's a step forward for sure.

Let's see some 3D review!
Joe Smith Posted Sep 17, 2014 10:26 AM PST
If this looks better than 1080p which the review says, then it is an excellent projector. There a lots of good 1080's out there but this seems to be better and I bet in a blind test with the Sony 4K, it would be way closer than people think there is only so much difference you can see to begin with between 1080 and 4K; This is actually a great value especially if the street price comes in at 6-7K the 4K upscaling on the Epson is getting way better reviews than the eshift on JVC, which has poor reviews so right there the Epson has an edge.
Brett Posted Sep 17, 2014 8:21 PM PST
This projector just seems like a transitional step at best, so I'm not sure why I would spend $7,999 on it. There are press releases from Epson from five years ago in 2009, that they had developed true 4K Native Resolution LCD chips. Where are those??? 4K is everywhere now. Why not just release a true 4K projector, and not the smoke and mirrors this projector uses? I think like many people, I will be sitting on the sidelines waiting for a real 4K projector under $5000, so I don't plunk down $8K on this one, and then they release the real deal next year.
Joe Smith Posted Sep 18, 2014 10:34 AM PST
Real 4K Projector for under 5K, I doubt it anytime soon this is the next best thing. The street price for the Epson should be lower than the msrp Unless Panasonic comes out with something similar for less Not sure anyone else will Sony prices are ridiculous for their 4K projectors
Snoop Posted Sep 18, 2014 10:49 AM PST
To all the Haters, people were happy with 900 Lumens a few years ago - SIM2 used to say brighter than that have one a headache (and the bulbs wouldn't last)!
Joe Smith Posted Sep 18, 2014 10:56 AM PST
also, a Blind test between the Epson using the 4K setting at 3,4,5 vs the Sony 4K and all the B.S would be resolved It would be way closer than people think then the price of the Epson is not so bad
GIL ARROYO Posted Sep 20, 2014 12:04 PM PST
Miguel Guzman Posted Sep 29, 2014 2:25 PM PST
That's precisely what I want to know. Please, Evan can you comment on the convergence topic? Is this something that is no longer needed due to the new quartz reflective LCDs?

Miguel Posted Sep 29, 2014 2:30 PM PST
I totally agree with you Brett. I'm still thinking why should I pay $8K for a 1080P-4K wannabe, when one can get a real 4K projector now for much less. Nevertheless, this new projector is an achievement indeed, but Epson should've started playing in the 4K arena already. I will definitely not spend all that money in another 1080P. It's just not worth it.
Miguel Posted Sep 29, 2014 2:43 PM PST
Mel, I would suggest you getting a 6030UB instead. There isn't any big advantage that justifies paying $8K for this. The 6030UB is really good for the money you'd be paying. If at least the laser drive would consume significantly less power than it's predecessors, then that alone might be worth it. Epson should focus on fixing currently problems they have with their projection technologies such as: ghosting under 3D, LCD convergence, power consumption, and their projector's size.
Joe Smith Posted Sep 30, 2014 4:50 AM PST
" why should I pay $8K for a 1080P-4K wannabe, when one can get a real 4K projector now for much less"

Are you kidding? which 4K projector can you get for less than this Epson? the Sony is 15K and maybe more for their highest model

The JVC projectors are more money and their 4K upscaling is poor. I have had many JVC lovers tell me this about their eshift

This Epson is the only product of its kind that can provide this level of quality in that price range

both Projector Central and Projector Reviews (Art) loved this projector

Has everyone read the detailed reviews of this?
Dougc11 Posted Sep 30, 2014 8:18 AM PST
Evan, Can you talk a little more about the firmware upgrade? I have the 5020UB and and love it but I am wondering if the incremental upgrade to the 5030UB together with the firmware upgrade makes it a solid contender for a new projector?
Harv Schneider Posted Oct 6, 2014 12:35 PM PST
If Epson would modify the 6030UB to incorporate a fixed anamorphic lens they would have a slam dunk game changer. A built in A. lens would improve the contrast and resolution. The squeeze feature would still look good for non cinema-scope material. The install would look much cleaner and the over value would be a significant step forward.
Mel Posted Oct 6, 2014 6:59 PM PST
So now I am wondering with the LS10000 coming into the market place, will the price of the 6030UB drop?
Champster Posted Oct 27, 2014 11:36 PM PST
Input lag! someone need to make a laser projector with good black level and low input lag. Lots of people with a home cinema got video games they want to play on the big screen. I would rather have low input lag time (sub 40ms) and power lens than the pseudo 4k B.S
Frank Posted Nov 5, 2014 1:56 PM PST
Wow, this is rich indeed. a "4K projector" -- that has a 1920 x 1080 resolution panel. Wow, what they gonna be thinking up next, eh? An 8K PJ with an 800 x 600 panel?
Martin Posted Nov 13, 2014 10:06 PM PST
It sounds like there may be some misinterpretation going on here. I work in post-production scanning original camera negative at 4k and 2k for the movies we are watching in theaters these days. The Arri film scanners ALSO shift the sensor to capture 4k and even 6k. It isn't "faking" it if it is getting real data from the negative, regardless of not having a 4k "native" sensor. It seems like the reverse of this would also project a real 4k image.

If each scanned pixel is getting projected then it's real 4k. Either that or I misinterpreted what the Epson is doing.
Alex Posted Nov 18, 2014 10:14 AM PST
You can project a 4k (3840*2160) image with a 1080p projector. Divide each second into n slices where n is an even integer multiple of the framerate. When n=1 the projector show odd # pixels of each row, and odd rows. When n=2 the project shows even #pixels even rows, with the image shifted HALF of a pixel down and HALF of a pixel to the right. Rinse and repeat for n=3,4 etc. This is also known as pixel scaling.
Paul Posted Dec 3, 2014 9:54 AM PST
"Epson should focus on fixing currently problems they have with their projection technologies such as: ghosting under 3D, LCD convergence, power consumption, and their projector's size." Additionnally and more importantly hopefully they have fixed or will fix the problem with the polarized Lens that comes out of position after 3yrs or less and make Pink Band appear at the bottome of the screen. It takes 3 hours to repair.
charlie Posted Dec 18, 2014 6:20 PM PST
Scanning and projecting are very diiferent.... You're not scanning at 60 frames a second ...and film is shot at 24 frames per second...
jorge Posted Jan 3, 2015 4:24 AM PST
when does this projector come out.. im interested in buying one this year.. right now i cant find it anywhere in the internnet
Piyush Posted Jan 15, 2015 12:09 PM PST
Since Epson LS10000 is 1500 lumen compared to Epson 6030UB being 2400 lumen - Will Epson 6030UB be more suitable for a larger screen ?

My Home Theater room dimensions are: Width : 17 feet 10 inches Length : 31 feet Height : 11 feet

I assume in this room size, I can install either a 200" 2.35 screen or a 175" 16:9 screen

I plan to use a Stewart Studiotek 130 G3 which is a 1.3 Gain screen.

However as per the Projectorcentral calcucator, the max 1.3 gain screen size I can use is: LS10000: max 120" 2.35:1 screen OR 130" 16:9 screen 6030UB : around 150" 2.35:1 or Max 160" 16:9 screen

Would appreciate if anyone could guide which projector would be more ideal for bigger screen.

Would also appreciate any suggestions on which alternate 3D HD capable projectors I should think of to achieve projecting a good HD picture on a 200" 2.35:1 screen with budget of around US$ 11,000 for projector. Thanks !
Frank Posted Feb 22, 2015 12:19 PM PST
Okay, so this one is supposed to be shipping already -- it's just nobody out there has got it.

It has a "3LCD Reflective Panel." They call it "R-HTPS Liquid Crystal on Quartz," I guess the "R" stands for reflective. I thought LCD was transmissive technology, but I guess now they've got them in TI DMD-like reflective configurations as well. That's always good. It has some sort of a 4K upscaler inside, too, for pseudo-4K. Laser light engine, of course. In fact, it is true "pure" laser with laser light engine "A" generating Red and Green, the laser light source "B" generating Blue. So, no spinning phosphor wheel here any more, folks. That is really, truly something.

Must be the world's quietest PJ as well -- 19dB. Built-in scaler to convert 2D material into 3D as well and HD into pseudo-UHD. All in all, looking great with the reflective quartz 3-panel design and 4K upscaling.

Too bad, therefore, that with this LCD reflective technology and all that jazz, this particular Epson can only muster a paltry 1500 ANSI lumen of brightness. hat were they thinking? The fixed zoom lens is dark -- it can only operate in the F2.5-3,7 iris range, so that explains to a great extent why the image it throws is so weak, i.e. dark. I guess if you are in a totally pitch-lack room with a 1.8 gain screen front of you, and your screen size does not exceed say 1.5 meter wide, you should be still okay with this pone at 1500 lumen max, right? But at half-life, you will be down to 750 ANSI, and after adjustments, this baby here must be one of the dimmest HTPJs out there of them all.
Stunko Posted Feb 22, 2015 12:22 PM PST

Sony costs the same money as the Epson here, has true reflective 4K panel and not 1920 x 1080 with an internal upscaler, and delivers the same lumen output as this Epson does.

Triple advantage goes to Sony, therefore. Those guys are still very hard to beat.
Dave Posted Mar 5, 2015 9:57 AM PST
It's difficult to objective compare resolution of 4k vs pixel shift 1080p devices using video content because there are a lot of factors that affect how a video looks. You'd be better off displaying a 4k computer screen with a lot of nice sharp straight and angled 1 pixel wide lines... then getting right up close and personal with the screen to see what can be seen. That likely will show a pretty clear difference... but if your objective is 'good looking 4k home theater' then just view the two from your typical viewing distance and ambient illumination and pick which looks better.
Ferris Posted Apr 3, 2015 11:34 PM PST
The lumens output is SO misleading...i have upgraded to the ls1000 from a 6030ub and the ls1000 smokes the 6030 in every way is way brighter.maybe its the laser compared to standard bulb.. i dunno except it is exceptionally better in all aspects..very very happy man over here
David C Posted Apr 4, 2015 10:17 AM PST
My reason for buying projectors was the price and size vs buying a flat panel TV. Things have changed as TV's are now much cheaper than a comparable projector. I can't fathom paying 8K for a projector when I can get a 80-90 inch TV for about half that price. The price difference is staggering when you consider 60-70 inch TV's. And the picture will be superior. If these manufacturers want to seriously compete in the 4K and home theater world, they are going to have to be comparably priced with that of TV's. I've been using projectors for years and this is the first time I've considered a TV (brought my last projector in '12). Back then, I couldn't get a 60+ in TV for less than a good projector (less than $1500). Today there are great TV's out there for less then a lot of the least expensive projectors. When I brought my current projector I visited two large retailers, both had special rooms set up to view the projectors, today neither store does and the amount of projectors in stock has dwindled to just a few from at least a dozen.
Evan Powell, Editor Posted Apr 4, 2015 10:40 AM PST
David, flat panels have gotten cheaper and better, no doubt about that. Two points. Most people who buy home theater projectors are looking for image sizes 100" and up. In this size range projectors are the only realistic option. But beyond that, size is not the only issue. The reflected light from a projector+screen combo has a far different aesthetic than the light from a TV which can look harsh and unreal. There is a real difference in the experience of "watching TV" vs. seeing a film in a theater. Many videophiles will continue to prefer projection as the image quality more closely replicates the authentic large screen movie theater experience. On the other hand, TVs are best suited to ambient light. Each has their reasons for existence.
otamad Posted May 13, 2015 5:34 AM PST
Does anyone know where the LS10000 can be purchased? This information presented here is extremely helpful in making the purchase decision, but Epson's website is useless in finding a stocking dealer. And, there is no internet presence for this product or its sister unit without 4K upscaling. Any ideas on how or where to purchase these units is greatly appreciated.
Mel Posted May 18, 2015 9:24 AM PST

Just to be correct, you have now purchased the LS 10000 and that PJ has replaced a 6030UB. You are saying the LS 10000 is much better "in all aspects"... color, brightness, sharpness, 3D. So you would recommend the LS 10000 over the 6030UB and it is as bright or brighter. Can you see the difference with the 4K enhancement?

Thanks for your reply,

MNProjectorFan Posted Jun 10, 2015 11:41 AM PST
I purchased the LS10000 after considering several other options (and reading the review here - thank you for that). I replaced a four and a half year old ProCinema 9700 from Epson. Here are the biggest differences I can tell you. Much like Ferris's comment, the lumen rating is a bit misleading. The biggest changes I see with the LS10000 are that in Cinema and THX mode even under the ECO setting, the output is noticeably brighter in the same room and on the same screen; the colors are more vibrant and expansive (hopefully not just my sub-conscious thinking I see this); and amazingly better contrast. I have had the LS10000 for a month and for the first two weeks I went back and forth with the PC9700 - there is no comparison to the picture quality between them on broadcast television, XBox gaming, and Blu-ray content. I couldn't be happier with my decision to pick up the LS10000. A side benefit is that I simply cannot hear it running when it is in ECO mode. It is well below any perceivable dB rating for my ears, and those of friends that I have had over since I installed it.
Erich Posted Jun 12, 2015 10:39 AM PST
@MNProjectorFan and/or Feris.

Can you turn on high altitude mode along with bright and run it for about 2 minutes and see what kind of noise factor you have?

I live in CO, and this is one of my biggest pet peeves with the projectors I have owned. My current Projector is mounted behind the wall at 17 feet from the screen. I would like to pick up the LS1000 and mount it directly overhead but the fan noise on high altitude mode would be a factor for me. Thank you in advance.
jorge betancourt Posted Jun 14, 2015 5:08 PM PST
MNProjectorFan is there a big difference on the upscaling.. Can you really see the difference? I had an installer from over seas tell me it looks amazing.. huge difference
John Posted Jun 15, 2015 3:40 PM PST
For the people who are interested in the epson ls10000 and don't know if they want to buy the epson or a native 4k projector here is mho about the epson.i compared the epson side by side with the sony native 4k VPL-VW350ES which is about the same price and this is my opinion.Although the epson is not native 4k,me,my wife and 4 other customers saw all the same thing,the picture quality from the epson is just amazing!!. I really expected that the sony had the better picture quality because it has the native 4k panel,but i was shocked to see that the epson was sharper,had a much better contrast and deeper blacks with 1080P content and 4K content.The Sony also has a very good picture quality but it looked a little bit washed out in comparison with the epson, and i have read a lot of reviews where they say the sony has a more detailed picture!!.Of course i wanted to know, how the 3D was on the epson. Because it only has 1500 lumens i was a little bit concerned that there was not enough light for a good and solid 3D picture,but this was not the case at all.If you are into 3D don't worry the epson has a very good 3D image thanks to the Bright 3D drive which doubles the image repeat frequency from 240 to 480Hz. This means that you see a much brighter image through your 3D glasses.I hope this will help a little bit for some of you guys in your decision to buy the Epson or a native 4k Sony.I made my decision and go for the Epson because of the picture quality,high contrast,better black levels,and i don't have to buy new light bulbs anymore.The only thing i don't know is, if a screen innovations black diamond 1.4 screen is the right choice for this projector because of the 1500 lumens,maybe someone can tell me if this screen is to dark for a good picture with the epson.

Sincerely, John
Blake Mooney Posted Jul 17, 2015 11:16 AM PST
Really want this projector, though it doesn't seem that it's available in many places online. I play on buying one later this year. Anyone know where they're regularly available?
Blake Mooney Posted Jul 17, 2015 11:19 AM PST
It's not as simple as that. Many people who saw this compared to native 4K say that the Epson actually beat many native 4K units. Epson does a great job making very good quality projectors.
Steve Posted Sep 14, 2015 8:47 AM PST
Why not just get a Lumgen scaler and be done.
Jack Posted Sep 19, 2015 7:58 PM PST
Confusing reading the conflicting reviews. I've got a room approx. 6 metres by 6 metres and was thinking of a 160" screen but feel the 10,000 won't be bright enough unless the room is pitch black which it won't be at all times.3D and noise are also important.

Do you go cheap now with the 5030 and upgrade in a few years when the 4K projectors are cheaper and brighter or do you spring for a 4K Sony or 10,000 now?

I hear that JVC is coming out with a (few) brighter real 4K in a few months. Great picture but low brightness currently.
MoLotus Posted Apr 23, 2016 1:58 AM PST
Hi - we've had an LS10000 for about 6 months now and continue to be stunned by it's contrast, it's silence, it's instant on/off, it's image quality, it's lack of pixelation, the quality lift for Blue Ray and even DVDs. And did I mention contrast? For the first time a light-bulb in the picture hurts your eyes just like looking towards a real one. In comparison to a TV - we can roll up the projector screen - you can't easily hide a 90"TV!! Our only technical issue now is the blanking period when the signal changes, but that's as much to do with the chain of devices (AV amp, wireless transmitter) as it is the projector. Will solve with a new amp and solid copper connection.
Gabriel Posted Dec 8, 2016 4:48 AM PST
Have one of these in my cinema for 9 months now. I am still amazed by the deep deep blacks it achieves. Every time I put on a B&W film I am still impressed. Also it is as quiet as if there was nothing working on the room. You don't even need the 4k enhancement feature, to be completely honest. The factory modes are all you need. Just played Bella Tarr's Turin Horse last night and everybody were astonished. I really recommend this. I had a Sony 4K here for a few days to test and was not impressed.

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