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Is Frame Interpolation Important?

Evan Powell, January 20, 2009
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Is Frame Interpolation Important for You?

Well, only you can decide that. Personally, I am distracted by motion judder when I see it on the large screen. I was never bothered by it when watching a 42" plasma TV because the image was too small and the artifacts were less obvious. But at 120", the viewing experience is more immersive, and motion instability can be quite annoying. I'd rather have those artifacts gone if I have the option. So I am elated that vendors are now beginning to tackle this problem.

However, having said that, I should also say that motion judder is not a problem in all films. For example, the new release of Thunderball in Blu-ray has very little judder. The script is bad and the acting is worse, but at least the cinematographer knew what he was doing. In this film there is very little camera panning, and when the camera does pan, it almost always moves slowly enough to avoid the introduction of judder. You can watch this film in its entirety in native 24p and see almost no judder at all, which is rather remarkable. If you happen to be watching movies that were filmed in this manner, frame interpolation has no benefit.

On the other hand, the new Casino Royale Blu-ray, while it is a much better movie, is not nearly as successful in this particular regard. Moderate speed camera panning is rather frequent in this film, so you see a lot more judder. But it's great for us. We use a number of scenes in this film to exercise the various frame interpolation systems on the projectors that have come out so far.

And by the way, contrary to what one might assume, motion judder is not a problem that is limited to action movies. We've mentioned the film Swimming Pool on occasion before. This is an example of a very slow paced movie with no action whatsoever, and yet it is full of motion judder. It is not the amount of action in a film that produces motion artifacts, but rather the way the cinematographer handles the camera. So don't think that just because you are not watching stuff like 2 Fast 2 Furious that you won't be bothered by motion judder.

In the end, frame interpolation can be used with different types of film and video source material with great success. Sometimes it isn't necessary, and sometimes it helps enormously. Some frame interpolation systems are clearly more comprehensive than others, so as they say, your results may vary. We are extremely supportive of this new enhancement to video processing. Our hats are off to Panasonic in particular for showing how powerful the technology can be. We hope all vendors will give serious consideration to including it in their next generation video projectors.

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Aaron Posted Jan 20, 2009 3:29 PM PST
There is an assumption amongst film afficionados that the "soap opera effect" is absolutely undesirable. Certainly to THEM it appears to be undesirable. But is there any evidence of this for the general public? Personally I do not think I have any interest in the "surreal" effect of 24fps. I am much more interested in the smoothest, highest quality motion possible.
Saied Posted Jan 20, 2009 4:18 PM PST
I feel Aaron makes a fair point. I work in a cinema which uses 95% film prints and would say that it is not easy to recreate the film "look" electronically. The light behind the film will come from a xenon lamp and the film 24 fps is synchronised with a revolving shutter mechanism which keeps hidden the black stripe bits between each frame to help the eye's "persistance of vision" effect. A new film print will look excellent, but there is nothing worse than a print of an older title in poor condition - scratches, dust, hairs, frame jumps and bits missing where splices have been made, especially on heavy wear between reels. We occasionally do licensed DVD screenings using some kit you would have in your own home (Oppo 981 and DVDO HD, both SDI modded going into Panasonic 3 chip DLP PT-D7600). Screen is 16ft in 2.35:1 The result is great pictures which do get compliments, where the film "look" can be irrelevent. Before DVD, cinemas would happily show 16mm if necessary, without batting an eyelid, even though that film medium would still be a quality drop for the audience. Mediums change - film itself was originally printed on dangerous nitrate stock, then acetate, and now polyester, each of which has subtley altered the film "look" even within the industry. In my humble opinion, the solution is to accept a certain quality threshold across the different technology mediums.
Jeremy Posted Jan 20, 2009 5:03 PM PST
When characters in a movie become actors on a set, frame interpolation has gone too far. I used to play with frame interpolation (Trimension) on my pc outputting to a 106" projected image, it certainly was a neat effect, but the artifacts, motion cadence inconsistencies and soap opera effect were ultimately deal killers for me.
Don Tujaka Posted Jan 21, 2009 6:34 AM PST
Epson provides too much reality ?????? I haven't seen that since the late 60's, and we had a cure for it then. IMHO the most glaring problems with jitter I see is in sports programing so a high degree of correction is good. Like the article said, I can always turn it of when watching Casablanca.
Mike Posted Jan 21, 2009 3:14 PM PST
I consider myself more in the "general public" than the "film snob" category, and I previously agreed with Aaron. I wanted the smoothest possible picture and payed no attention to talk of the "soap opera effect". I didn't have any interest in seeing motion judder, and have noticed it in numerous movies both at home on my previous projector and at the cinema. I was salivating at the chance to eliminate all that unwanted and distracting motion. I bought the Panasonic AE3000.

When I watch "Lord of the Rings" on DVD with the frame creation on Mode 2, many of the scenes suddenly look like a documentary of the film being made rather than a film itself. The actors suddenly look less convincing as hobbits. The scenery seems like a set rather than another world. I half expect the soundtrack to include the words "action" and "cut!" It's not that it looks unfinished or low-quality, it just looks so life-like that it's no longer surreal. Instead of being transported to Middle Earth, I am transported to the movie set.

I never thought I would be bothered by the "soap opera effect", but it is so powerful that it can disrupt my ability to lose myself in the movie.

I often leave the frame creation off now. I sometimes turn it on hoping that somehow I will acclimate to it and not notice the effect any more, but so far that hasn't worked. It's nice to know that I can probably turn on for sports and animation - I hadn't considered that before.
Don Posted Jan 21, 2009 3:53 PM PST
I know what Mike is talking about. I haven't seen the frame creation on a projector yet. But I was evaluating my options and looking at televisions at Best Buy, and one really caught my eye. I really wasn't sure at first whether it was showing a documentary about the making of Pirates of the Carribean or the movie. I had to watch it a few minutes just to decide it was really the movie. It was certainly attention grabbing, but I don't think I would want to watch a whole movie like that. A set playing T2 was also using a similar effect, and it made it look like a cheap direct to video show shot for the Sci-Fi channel or something. These were on LCD tv's I believe. I do wonder if the effect would not be so tiring/obvious on a bigger screen.
Grant Posted Jan 23, 2009 6:58 AM PST
If you're interested in frame interpolation then stay away from the Epson projectors. I have lived with the 7500 for a few days now and for some content I love the look when FI is on; however, the artifacts introduced by Epson's FI are so bad that it renders FI unusable. It gets rid of film judder and introduces its own! Way too many hiccups and problems. Epson needs to fix this and soon or suffer the consequences! Hard to believe it would put a "broken" product on the market. Did no one at Epson actually take a look to see how well FI worked before it was released into the marketplace?
Grant Posted Jan 23, 2009 11:15 AM PST
O.K. I'll have to eat a little crow. My comments below were based on my observations with playback from my HTPC with a BD/HD DVD drive. Frame interpolation simply won't work with the HTPC - too bad since this is what I use the most for playback. Out of curiosity I tried both my Samsung BD player and Toshiba HD DVD player. FI works really well (completely strips away the film look) with very few artifacts. Animation looks 3D and spectacular!!! Normal playback with the HTPC is fine so I'll use it for movies and FI for animation and T.V. sports etc. This makes me wonder if some BD players may have problems with Epson's FI since others have been complaining.
dom Posted Feb 1, 2009 3:51 AM PST
ive got this on my sanyo and love it is the best thing since sliced interpolated bread lol best thing i can say is embrace the future or chill in the past if you dont like it fair enough but make sure you get to view it and have a machine where you can turn it n and off to your liking
Darryl Posted Feb 6, 2009 9:28 AM PST
Great Article! I like how Evan as a professional reviewer, is not stuck in the 'old school', is open to new improvements, and brings a more unbiased view. I am seeing more and more how other reviewers are stuck in the old school thinking, and not open to improvements like FI as important.

I think FI is going to be a big part of the future of home theatre movie viewing, and the key to it is two fold: 1. It may take some time to get used to it because we've been used to judder for so long & came to accept judder as being surreal. 2. I think the bigger the screen you have at home, the better. If you are watching a movie from more than 12 feet back on a 100ft(or less) screen, you may notice the 'soap opera effect' too much. However if you are 12 or less feet back and have a 120+ ft screen, then I think it will be much better & FI becomes a smoothness improvement to enhance the movie experience free of judder, rather than an annoying effect.

If they start using this new technology in theatres then we will definitely get more used to it quickly as the new standard way film should look. For now, my only fear is that once people get used to it at home under the right aspec ratio distance circumstances, going to the theatre will become less appealing because judder will become more noticeable than it used to be (at least until more theatres start adopting the use of this technology).
Reuben Posted Feb 7, 2009 5:13 AM PST
I have seen and own equipment that implements this varying technology, and the only thing you need to understand is that it's inserting frames where the frames were not recorded in the first place.

To me, that's almost like watching a movie in the incorrect aspect ratio...
rickirick Posted Feb 11, 2009 9:51 AM PST
I'm curious to know if people are sensitive to motion judder in a selective fashion similar to how some people are sensitive to DLP rainbows.

For example, I have always found it very difficult to watch any LCD-based device when motion is shown. I've mentioned this for years and most people didn't seem to know what I'm talking about. With FI now a big deal, many people are recognizing this a problem, but many others are saying it has never been a problem for them.

So I'm curious about the science...are some people just more sanative to this than others?

It bothers me to the point that during some scenes (movies or sports or really any type of media) I have to close my eyes and wait for the action to stop. This is true on both LCD TVs and LCD projectors.

It is also a function of distance to the screen, so it would be nice to see some effort to quantify the impact of judder as a function of distance & screen width.
dtelmo Posted Sep 26, 2009 2:49 PM PST
Hello everyone,

Does anybody know if the `frame interpolation` feature is available in any blu-ray player or media player ?

Many thanks! dtelmo
pjmit Posted Jan 28, 2010 5:31 PM PST
High frame interpolation is necessary for and works well with PC games, and in SOME movies, especially old ones, watch the old Alien movie on regular DVD and play on a projector with FI, its a sight to behold.
Charles Posted Mar 8, 2011 11:05 AM PST
"There is an assumption amongst film afficionados that the "soap opera effect" is absolutely undesirable. Certainly to THEM it appears to be undesirable. But is there any evidence of this for the general public?"

I don't consider myself a film snob. Just someone with taste and perception. The power of film and visual storytelling comes from the images conveying another living world to the viewer, a world separate from the mundane setting of your own living room. What is the point of watching a movie if it doesn't transport you to another world or if it doesn't tap into that part of the brain that dreams about what's beyond the horizon? Having a technology installed as a default in every new TV that turns our dreams into something as cheap as the latest Youtube clip from The Young Turks is just plain wrong.

I feel sad knowing that there are people out there with no appreciation or understanding of the power of film, escapism and imagination, and only care about whether something looks "smooth" so they can show off their new expensive system to their friends. I feel sad knowing that these people don't understand that the power of visual storytelling comes from images that bespeak of other places, rather than images that sit dead, right there in front of them. I feel infinitely worse knowing that such people make up such a large part of the population that they can apparently dictate the way all visual art, both past and future will be seen the world over.

That is my opinion. I'm not sure I care for what the general public, joe sixpack if you will, wants.
Adam Posted Oct 22, 2012 11:46 AM PST
If cinephiles want the most authentic, director-intended look, they certainly have that option, and that's respectable. Manufacturers understand that market is never going away. But every viewer has the absolute right to control their picture to taste, especially without being chastised for some perceived treasonous destruction of art.

I think interpolation looks great with certain things like documentaries, animated films, sports, and video games. Though with many films it does seem to reduce the dreamy, filmic look and turn CGI effects into cartoons and environments into back-lot sets. Even the most ardent supporter of the technology admits it's not ideal for every situation. But it's a nice option to have for those who enjoy it. Thanks Evan for the detailed and unbiased article.

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